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Psychosocial Themes in the Lives of
Children of Survivors and Nazis
Mansfield Institute for Social Justice

Mona S. Weissmark and Daniel A. Giacomo
Harvard Medical School

Ilona Kuphal
People Helping People, Face to Face, Massachusetts

Originally published in the JOURNAL OF NARRATIVE AND LIFE HISTORY, 3(4), 319-335 Copyright © 1993, Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, Inc.

Significant work has been done on effects of the Holocaust on the second generation. Research shows there is a link between the parents' trauma and a variety of psychological symptoms in children of survivors. Children of Nazis have also been a topic of psychological and Journalistic inquiry. The research suggests that many of these children experience conflict, shame, and personal guilt when dealing with their parents' Nazi past. The much discussed "Inability to mourn" has been identified as the central reason for why these children were traumatized. These findings have been central to our awareness of the intergenerational effects of the Holocaust. There is to date, however, no systematic research that compares the effects on these two groups of descendants. Thus, in an effort to advance research in this area, this study was undertaken to explore similarities between these two groups. Whereas previous studies have focused on the pathological effects of trauma on each group separately, the focus of this study was on comparative coping responses of individuals whose parents were involved in an extreme social injustice. An additional later aim is to study the interpersonal behavior between children of survivors and children of Nazis. The study consisted of interviewing 20 subjects, 10 children of Nazis and 10 children of concentration camp survivors. The former subjects were interviewed by a child of a Nazi (Kuphal), and the latter were interviewed by a child of concentration camp survivors (Weissmark). The interview was designed by a neutral party (Giacomo) to generate data by focusing on broad areas. The investigators hypothesized that these areas would yield useful data for comparing the similarities and differences between the two groups of subjects. Responses of children of survivors and Nazis revealed similar threads of images and associations to the past that run through their lives. These include: information-seeking, meaning-making, a personal sense of injustice, and redressing actions. (Psychology)

Significant work has been done on effects of the Nazi Holocaust on the second generation. Research shows there is a link between the parents' trauma and, a variety of psychological symptoms in children of survivors (Aleksandrowicz, 1973; Barcocas & Barcocas, 1973; Danieli, 1982; Epstein, 1979; Fryberg, 1980; Klein, 1971; Krystal, 1971; Nadler, Kav-Venaki, & Gleitman, 1985; Podietz et al., 1984; Rakoff, Sigal, & Epstein, 1966). Children of Nazis have also been a topic of psychological and journalistic inquiry. The research suggests that many of these children experience conflict, shame, and personal guilt when dealing with their parents' Nazi past (Arnim, 1989; Bar-On, 1989; Heimannsberg & Schmidt, 1988 / 1992; Posner, 199 1; Reichel, 1989; Rosenthal & Bar-On, 1992; Ritscher, 1992; Schirovsky, 1988; Stierlin, 1981; Westernhagen, 1987). The much-discussed "inability to mourn" has been identified as the central reason for why these children were traumatized (Mitscherlich & Mitscherlich, 1975).

The findings just stated have been central to our awareness of the transgenerational effects of the Holocaust. There is, to date, however, no systematic research that compares the effects of the Holocaust on these two groups of descendants. Whereas previous studies have focused on the pathological effects of trauma on each group separately, the focus of this study was on comparative coping responses of individuals whose parents were involved on both sides of an extreme social injustice. Social psychological investigations of injustice have traditionally overlooked the complex strategies by which people make sense of an injustice and the ways that individuals rebalance an injustice in their lives. Thus, to advance research in this area, we undertook our study to explore similarities between these two groups in their coping responses to an extreme social injustice to which they feel closely related. In this article, we describe the findings and their implications for understanding the transgenerational psychosocial effects of an injustice over individuals' life cycles.

METHOD

Subjects and Procedure

The 20 subjects who comprised the sample were those from an original pool of 31 subjects who were invited to attend a Joint Meeting for Children of Survivors and Children of Nazis. During the spring of 1991, the investigators contacted colleagues and acquaintances in Germany, Israel, and the United States to facilitate obtaining subjects. Referral sources were asked to obtain the names, phone numbers, and addresses of volunteers. A one-page description of the joint meeting, a form letter, and biographical information about the investigators were sent to 31 subjects. Each was told that an interview study of children of concentration camp survivors and children of Nazis was being conducted by the investigators as a preliminary to the Joint Meeting. Only the 20 subjects who agreed to attend the Joint Meeting were asked to be interviewed; the 11 subjects who declined to attend the Joint Meeting were excluded from the pool of interviewees. Two criteria were used for choosing children of survivors: (a) having at least one parent who was a survivor of either a Nazi concentration camp or slave labor camp, and (b) not having a parent who was a member of an organization that actively fought against the Nazis. Two criteria were used for choosing children of Nazis: (a) having at least one parent who was an active member of the Nazi party during the Third Reich, and (b) not having a parent who was a member of an organization that actively fought against the Nazis. For the 20 persons interviewed, the mean age was 43, ranging between 30 and 48: Fourteen were female and 6 were male. Ten subjects were born in Germany, I was born in Israel, and the remaining 9 were born in the United States. For all subjects this was the first time they had participated in a study.

The interviews were conducted in English and German, tape-recorded, and transcribed. The interviews took an average of 1 1/2 hr, ranging from 45 min to 3 hr. Interviews were scheduled between November 1991 and May 1992. The interviews were conducted in various cities throughout Germany and the United States, primarily in the Boston, New York, Hamburg, and Berlin areas. Interviews were conducted in the first and third authors' offices and sometimes in the subjects' offices. The 10 children of Nazis were interviewed by a child of a Nazi (Kuphal), and the 10 children of survivors were interviewed by a child of concentration camp survivors (Weissmark).

Design of the Interview

A semistructured interview was designed as the chief instrument of the study. The interview was designed by a neutral party (Giacomo) to generate data by focusing on broad areas. The investigators hypothesized that these areas would yield useful data for comparing (the similarities and differences) between the two groups of subjects. The areas also determined the sequence of inquiry followed during the interviews. The areas were:

1. Subjects' developmental histories with special attention to the evolution of finding out about the war, the Holocaust, and their parents' involvement.
2. Subjects' reports of their responses to information about the Holocaust and of its influence on them and their relationships.
3. Subjects' perspectives on retributive justice.
4. Subjects views on descendants of the other side.

Administration of the Interview and Interview Behavior

Subjects were told that the interview was designed to help provide an understanding of the lives of people whose parents were survivors of concentration camps or whose parents were Nazis. They were told that the schedule of questions the interviewer kept was aimed at facilitating this goal. The potential risks and benefits of being interviewed were explained to the subjects. The subjects were told that there were no serious risks involved except for the issue of confidentiality. Appropriate measures were taken to preserve confidentiality. The potential benefits of attending a Joint Meeting were discussed. The subjects were also given information about the interviewers' backgrounds. For the first author, they were told that her mother was a survivor of Auschwitz and her father a survivor of Dachau. For the third author, they were told that her father was an officer of the Weapon SS. All subjects were cooperative and friendly toward the interviewers. The atmosphere during the interviews, however, varied. Although the interviewers had a general concern that they were intruding into a very private and difficult area of the subjects' lives, this was especially acute with particular subjects. At times, a few subjects would cry and say they never discussed these matters.

Analysis of the Interviews

After obtaining verbatim transcripts, the major task of the study was to organize the mass of data into the areas the interview was designed to investigate. In the process, themes within each area were identified. The concept of theme was first introduced into the social sciences by Opler (1945). He used it to describe general features of Apache culture. It has its roots in the general idea that cultures, groups, or psychological mechanisms are more than a jumble of unrelated parts. Rather, every culture, group, or psychological process is a complex pattern. Anthropologists, sociologists, and psychologists have sought to capture this larger pattern with such concepts as ethos, core value, world view, and personality structure. For this study we defined theme as any emotive-cognitive evaluation common to both groups. Although examples of data used to support a theme are provided, the actual number of subjects who generated such data is not. Rather, adjectives of number, such as a few (to denote at least three subjects), many (to denote at least two fifths of the sample), and most (to denote more than half of the sample) are used (Prince, 1975).

RESULTS

The results showed that the responses of children of survivors and Nazis revealed similar threads of images and associations to the past that run through their lives. These include four main themes: information-seeking, meaning-making, personal sense of injustice, and connectedness. Each is discussed in turn.

Information-Seeking

This section presents a description of the psychosocial background of the lives of children of Nazis and survivors by investigating the parameters of the child's knowledge of and responses to their parents' experiences. Typical answers to the questions "How did you get information about the Holocaust?" and "How did you respond to this information?" were:

Child of Nazi: I was about fifteen, I think it was the Eichmann process. Before the Eichmann process-you know a Nazi, what does it mean? It did not mean much. But suddenly during the Eichmann process there were things in the paper and on television and I was totally floored. I remember seeing these pictures of young kids going to the concentration camps. I couldn't believe that anybody could have done that to other people and I wanted to know what happened. I went to my mother and father and I said what happened. And nobody wanted to talk about it. So it is very much in me. And I could never understand. And I wanted someone very much to tell me-to take responsibility or something. I wanted somebody to talk to me. And there was nobody. And it was incredibly frustrating.

Child of Survivor: I was about seven and I remember my mother was watching the Eichmann trials on television. She was crying and I asked her why. I don't remember exactly what she said but she sort of explained to me that the man on television was responsible for killing her family. I was shocked and really upset to see my mother crying. I think this is when I really understood that my mother was in concentration camp. And that the number on her arm was somehow connected to that. From that day on I wanted to know more about it.

Most of the children of Nazis and survivors learned about their parents' experiences through bits and pieces of information. One difference that emerged between most children of survivors and children of Nazis is that children of Nazis first heard about the war whereas children of survivors first heard about the Holocaust. Subjects' verbal reports of their immediate responses to the information they received included shock, horror, guilt, anger, fear, disgust, sadness, and shame. The information they received was simultaneously evocative and numbing. It was evocative because the information they received was fragmentary, and it was numbing because of the overwhelming horror of the descriptions. Although a few subjects had learned the exact chronology of their parents' lives, most subjects had only fragmentary knowledge of isolated details and a distorted sense of chronology. For example, one subject said:

Child of Survivor: I'm rather embarrassed actually about the fact that I can not get the history straight. Although I have gone over the story with them as an adult and I have even taped it, and have written it down, my grasp of the history remains kind of childlike in some way. It never makes sense. I can't make the years kind of flow and be put together. But you know it is really crazy. It is just 6 years from 1939 until 1945 but there just seems to be something that confuses it. So I'm actually rather embarrassed about the fact that I cannot get the history straight.

Another subject gave the following description:

Child of Nazi: I could never get the full story, because there would only be pieces of the war experiences, but never anything connected to the Third Reich directly. Sometimes you would get a little piece about someone being high in the party but then they would stop talking. Nobody would talk about Hitler, about what happened. Every time it was just about the bombs falling, or about not having food. I never could really figure out what happened except at the end when they escaped from the East-from the Russians. I would hear that my father was an officer in the army but what kind of army, I did not know. I would hear from my father about him being upset about snipers. But I never got a real sense of how he spent those years in the army. Even when I asked harmless questions-I just never got answers. I knew that he went early into the army, I knew he wanted to be a flyer but that he couldn't be one. I would get it in pieces. Even if I asked questions about him being a soldier he would right away withdraw.

The information that most children of survivors and children of Nazis received also often contained references to "the Jews" or "the Nazis." A few subjects, however, reported that they heard stories that distinguished "good Nazis from bad Nazis or stories about good Jews."

Child of Survivor: I didn't view all Nazis as evil. It depended on what they did, what kind of cog they were in the machinery of it. My mother worked in a labor camp for a while. And an SS officer treated her kind of nicely, kindly, like a human being. Because my mother was young, he gave her a better post. He liked my mother's work and I think he conveyed it to my mother. I don't know what kind of punishment my mother would have picked for him after the war. On the other hand there was Mengele.

Child of Nazi: I remember my parents telling me that they had a lot of Jewish friends, nice people before the war. And they would play cards with them and make music. And I was always wondering why they never wondered about what happened to those nice friends.

Again, most children of Nazis and survivors learned about the past through bits and pieces of information. It is almost as if they were given a complex jigsaw puzzle that had most of the pieces missing. Many children of survivors and Nazis would discover an unexplainable detail, like a photograph of Hitler, military documents, the absence of grandparents, a tattoo, that became for them a key to an important mystery. Few children of survivors and Nazis knew all the chronological details of their parents' experiences. Often critical information about their parents' history was learned by accident. For example, one child of a Nazi was told that her father was a colonel and that the army was a fighting army and had nothing to do with the SS. When she was an adult she found out that her father was actually in the SS and was devoted to the Nazi ideology. Another child of a Nazi learned only after her father's death, when she was already an adult, that her father ordered an entire village of innocent people to be shot. Another subject (child of a survivor) learned only during late adolescence that her father had been incarcerated at Dachau. Another child of a survivor was told recently, by her father, that after he was liberated from concentration camp he hunted down a Nazi who ran the camp.

One very distinct impression emerging from many subjects' reports is that their parents were extremely ambivalent about communicating their experiences to them. On the one hand, most of the children of Nazis and survivors perceived that their parents were in need of unburdening themselves. On the other hand, the children sensed they were equally in need of guarding disclosures that might tend to depict themselves in a bad light or that might evoke sadness in the child. Most children of survivors and Nazis were told by their parents that they could not understand those times. For example, a child of a Nazi reported, "My father use[d] to say that I was green behind the ears and that I couldn't understand those times." A child of survivor was told by her mother, "It is like many, many jumps away from what you could possibly understand. People may understand hardship, but you really can't relate, my mother always said, unless you were there. It was the worst nightmare-you can't tell someone what it was really like." Consequently, all subjects (except one child of a survivor) expressed some degree of reticence about approaching their parents with questions about their experiences. This fragmentary type of information-seeking process created a dilemma for children of survivors and Nazis. On one level they sensed that they needed to avoid confronting their parents with their questions about the past, while, on another level, they felt that they needed to learn more about the past. Accompanying this dilemma was communication about the Nazi-Jew dichotomy. The symbol "Nazis" (or "Jews") was extremely puzzling and existed in relationship to the symbol "Jews" (or "Nazis"). Many subjects described their confusion and fear when their parents first told them about Nazis or Jews. They asked themselves who were these people who hurt my parents, or who were these people who were hurt by my parents?

Meaning-Making

Although parents' descriptions and details of their experiences varied in detail and vividness, there was one common feature: None of the fragments parents communicated to their children approached the overpowering horror of the descriptions made available in documentaries, movies, and books about the Holocaust. As previously noted, most parents of children of survivors and Nazis were reluctant to talk about their experiences. Additionally, many parents' accounts of their past often minimized the horrors or contained mixed messages. For example, in answer to the question "What response did you get from your parents when you tried to find out?" one subject said:

Child of Nazi: My parents said it wasn't that bad, a lot of it was propaganda. At the same time I heard my mother talking about these poor people who were in camps.

Another subject said:

Child of Survivor: My mother told me these gruesome stories of what it smelled like when there was a large selection of people being gassed and then she might switch and tell me a funny story about something that happened in the camp.

Other subjects reported the following:

Child of Nazi: My father's stories about the war were mostly funny stories. About you know the good soldier, how to get around the army boredom, and deprivation of army life, and making fun of their superiors and that sort of thing and male bonding.

Child of Survivor: My mother was so young when she was in camp. And the whole thing was sad but adventurous kind of. It was very tragic and sad but there were all these adventure stories too.

Thus, many children of survivors and Nazis were presented with inconsistent information. That is, on the one hand they knew some details of the actual crimes that were committed, yet simultaneously they were being presented with contradictory information. Also, most children of survivors and Nazis reported that they sensed that information was being hidden from them. Examples of their reports are:

Child of Nazi: One day at the house of some friends I looked at a book with pictures of Auschwitz. Even before I could really understand what I was seeing, I was just consumed with the thought of my father. I sort of put my hands over the pictures almost like I wanted to hide it from myself so that it couldn't be true. I was sort of confused and afraid that what I had suspected all those years, that dark secret, that crime. And I kept thinking what was the relationship between my father and this horror.

Child of Survivor: I always felt like my parents didn't really want to tell me everything. And sometimes I would read things or look at some pictures from Auschwitz and I would wonder, I mean sometimes I even thought I saw them in the pictures. It would be really painful to look at those pictures and imagine that my mother was there-that one of these people could even be her. I couldn't look at it for too long. Sometimes I would go and ask them about if something happened. And I would wonder why didn't they tell me before I asked. I felt like they were keeping things a secret from me. Like they were hiding some unimaginable horror that they experienced or saw.

A common reaction for most children of survivors and Nazis was that the inconsistent, fragmentary, and secretive style of communicating information created an overwhelming feeling of anxiety and fear. Additionally, most of the children reported that they felt they couldn't put all the information together. Many subjects reported that they felt as though a dark fog surrounded them, and they couldn't break through it. Thus, it left them not knowing exactly what meaning to give to the information. The perception that something terrible happened that involved their parents, the need to find out more and to make sense of it but simultaneously feeling afraid to find out more, was common for most subjects. Most children of Nazis and survivors portrayed their ambivalence about learning the dark secrets of the past. For children of survivors there were fantasies of parents' having committed some kind of crime to stay alive. For children of Nazis there were fantasies that their parents committed greater crimes than they knew about. For example, subjects state:

Child of Survivor: I remember my mother telling me that she worked sorting dead people's clothes, and that this was a good job because many people brought food to the camp, and also you could exchange the shoes and stuff for food. But somehow from her reaction I felt that she almost felt like it was a crime to have worked there. Because you know essentially she was able to survive because she had access to dead peoples' things. I got sort of afraid to ask her more questions about it.

Child of Nazi: I have to say I never quite asked the question bluntly, did you ever kill Jews? I could not face asking that question. So I never assumed he was involved in the extermination of Jews, but, I have to say I never asked that question. I did ask him whether he ever shot at anyone, did you ever kill someone by shooting. I still have the fear that maybe he was more involved than what he actually told me about.

The range and details of parents' accounts about the past in terms of content, as reported by subjects, was extremely varied. The style of communication, however, as described by the children can be characterized as inconsistent, fragmentary, and secretive. Most subjects reported that their parents' accounts had precipitated the sense that information was being hidden from them. (The one exception was one subject, a child of a survivor, who expressly stated that his father would answer any questions he asked.) A few subjects reported that they had surreptitiously gone through their parents' papers. Others reported that they relied on the literature to discover more information. Many subjects were concerned about specific aspects of their parents' experiences. These included crimes parents may have committed in concentration camps, specific abuses inflicted on them, and war crimes. Many subjects reported that they often imagined what those crimes or abuses might have been.

In spite of the fears of discovering dark secrets, all subjects indicated a desire to construct meaning out of the past. Subjects gave two rationales for this need to make meaning. The first reason involved a need to understand their identity through understanding the events that had affected their parents and, indirectly, themselves. The second reason involved a need to understand why human beings would participate in mass murder. For example, a typical report for most subjects was as follows:

Child of Survivor: It was a whole part of my growing up, and even now, is the question of why. I think that's why I kept doing what I am doing-I am looking for an answer. I read any book I can find, to find the goddamn answer. Six million people just can't die for nothing! It just can't be! There's got to be an answer. What's the answer? Do I turn to God for the answer? Will my own searching give me answers? I'm just always asking: Well, why did this happen?

Another subject reported:

Child of Nazi: I just could never understand how one human being could do such things to another human being. When I was a child I would try to understand it, and I would ask but no one would give me an answer. I could not really discuss it with friends, so I felt really alone in this search to find out.

Personal Sense of Injustice

Among the emotive-cognitive systems known to influence social behavior, perceptions of justice have been found to be of particular importance. The desire to behave and be treated in a just manner and also the need to believe in a just social order are the determinants of many actions and moral judgments (Heider, 1958; Kagan, 1989; J. Lemer & Matthews, 1967; Piaget, 1932). The sense of injustice is that set of sensibilities that connect people and make them part of the social world. The personal sense of injustice refers to the sympathetic and evaluative reaction of outrage, horror, shock, guilt, shame, resentment, anger, and all the other emotions that all of the children of Nazis and survivors felt when they perceived the injustice of the Holocaust. The following statements reflect this sympathetic reaction:

Child of Nazi: When I saw pictures of children going to the camps that was the worst. How could people do something to them? A child for me was a symbol of someone who never did anything bad to anyone. I felt, first I always feel very guilty. I mean I took the guilt of my parents. The guilt my parents did not want to take on I took on. And I felt incredibly guilty. Every time I would see a Jew I would feel all my guilt. I feel now that I have a responsibility. I feel that incredibly strongly. I have a responsibility toward the Jewish people but also first of all, in this particular case not to have it forgotten. I feel that very, very strongly. That we need to remember.

Child of Survivor (crying): When I first realized what my mother went through. I mean when I really understood the horror of it, the pain, the suffering she experienced I felt guilty almost. It sort of evoked these maternal feelings in me for my own mother. I mean even though I wasn't born yet I felt like I wished I could have protected her, shielded her. And I had this sense of feeling guilty that she suffered and I wasn't there to protect her. Also, I had this feeling of how unfair it was. She was only seventeen years old. And I would look at pictures of her brother. He was a child only twelve years old and he was killed in Treblinka. I never could understand how another human being could do that. And I think it left me with this feeling of outrage.

Empirical data show that most people are motivated to right existing wrongs or to at least convince themselves that they live in a just world (M. Lerner, 1980). Attempts to rectify injustice may range from acts of blaming the victim, compensating the victim, giving charity or financial reparation, to starting a lawsuit; they may incite the individual to acts of revenge or forgiveness or the masses to political revolution. Concerning the Holocaust, legal sanctions and financial reparations were set up by the Western Allies and the Federal Republic of Germany in an attempt to restore justice to victims. The program was identified as Wiedergutmachung, which literally translated means "to make good again." Yet it is widely recognized that these measures had the opposite effects and were equally resented by survivors and Germans alike (Kestenberg, 1980). Also, a system of legal principles does not consider the need for taking personal actions of retribution or retaliation.

For all subjects, the imagery of the Holocaust comes to provide visions of a perceived injustice and visions for understanding moral responsibility and evil. In turn, those visions provide a framework for acting in the world. All the subjects reported that they felt their parents did not sufficiently engage in retributive actions-that is, actions aimed at restoring a moral balance. For example, typical reports were:

Child of Nazi: I never saw my father take any or make any sacrifice. Or bring it up in the sense of restitution as a moral obligation. I wish he had done something. To at least say what we did was awful and I was wrong.

Child of Survivor: I used to wish that my parents would be like Simon Wisenthal-hunting down Nazis or something like that. But I guess they are doing and did what they were capable of doing. They raised a family.

These reports are consistent with empirical evidence that suggests that adequacy of compensation is a determinant of a harm-doer's compensatory behavior; harm-doers tend to compensate their victims if they have an adequate amount of compensation (E. Walster & Prestholdt, 1966). In addition, although harm-doers would like to compensate the victim, they also want to avoid contact with them (Freedman, Wallington, & Bless, 1967). Finally, if harm-doers are given time to think about their acts they are less likely to make inadequate or excessive restitution. During the interval of time they are more likely to consider other possible ways of reducing their distress (E. Walster & Prestholdt, 1966). Although these experimental findings are about variables affecting harm-doers' retributive behavioral reactions, it is reasonable to assume that they also might apply to the victim. That is, one may surmise that most survivors of the Holocaust did not engage in retributive actions because they felt that no level of compensation would be adequate, they preferred to avoid having contact with Nazis, and they found other ways of reducing the distress caused to them.

Anthropological and historical data suggest that if an injustice is not rebalanced between people, the imbalance does not disappear with the death of the original people but is extended to their descendants (Thomas, 1958). We use redressing to encompass the different actions children of survivors and Nazis take to offset an injustice posed to them by their common heritage. Those actions range from undertaking massive studies on the Holocaust, attending or delivering lectures, to engaging in political and social actions. The word redress has multiple meanings in Webster's Third World Dictionary: "to cover with or add something that improves the appearance," "to cure by softening," "to seek a remedy," "to compensate for a loss...... to exact reparation for," "to remove the cause of," and "to heal." We propose that these different meanings reflect the many ways children of survivors and Nazis attempt to restore justice to their everyday lives. What follows are some ways children of survivors and Nazis redress (I = interviewer, CN child of Nazi, CS = child of survivor):

I: Do you feel like you have tried to compensate the survivors in your father's name?
CN: Yes. My current academic work, which is a translation of a sort of pro-Zionist novel from English into German, and the effort of getting that published with the appropriate attention paid to the elements of the book is another. Yes, I feel like that is a big part of my life. It doesn't right anything. That can't be, how can anything be made right that was done wrong then. But I can try to be different.

I: Have you tried to get compensation for your parents?
CS: No, but the thought has crossed my mind. I think I have a much more powerful sense of vengeance than most people do. There were times when I said I would just love to shoot a Nazi. I'm not stopped from doing an act of violence toward a war criminal on ethical grounds. It is not like I say to myself acts of violence are always bad. So I'm not stopped by the ethical issue. I'm stopped by a practical issue. I don't want to go shoot some Nazi living in Argentina and then spend the rest of my life in jail. I know if was going to die soon, I would love to have the option to do that.

One may infer from subjects' reports that because they perceived that their parents took either minimal or no compensatory actions, they felt called upon to seek opportunities to redress the imbalance and to repair the injustice in the histories of their parents. This finding is consistent with historical and anthropological evidence that suggest retribution can last for centuries.

Perceptions of Connectedness

Do children of survivors and children of Nazis have anything in common? For the first generation that is a question many feel should not even be asked, an impossibility that should never be suggested. For the children, however, as indicated in their reports, the thought that they are in some way connected is a felt possibility. Most subjects stated that they felt they were joined by the context of the problems posed to them by their common heritage. One of the most striking results was that many children of Nazis stated that they felt linked to children of survivors and vice versa. Examples of their reports are:

Child of Nazi: I think children of survivors and children of Nazis are connected whether we want it or not. We are very strongly connected. We are connected through the experiences of our parents. It is something that happened between our parents. As a German you are connected to the Jewish people. Because of what happened. This experience affects both children of survivors and children of Nazis.

Child of Survivor: I think children of survivors and children of Nazis have an awful lot in common. Yea, because I think they are suffering. The form of their suffering, how they are taking it beyond and how it affected their actual lives, I am not really sure. But, I think they have to have suffered. If they haven't suffered, then they are not people with, they are people who lack emotions. And I think children of survivors suffer because of what happened to their parents so we are tied by that.

DISCUSSION

In a sample of children of Nazis and children of survivors, it is possible to identify common psychosocial themes that appear to be attributable to the impact of the Holocaust. Those themes were: information-seeking, meaning-making, a personal sense of injustice, and connectedness. These data are consistent with previous research and with journalistic reports that show that a massive trauma like the Holocaust has psychological effects on the second generation. Yet because the sample included both children of Nazis and children of survivors, the same interview was used with both groups, and the same method was used to deal with response sets (using interviewers of the same descendant group), our data extends past investigations. Also, most of the previous studies on the second generation have emphasized impairment or dysfunction and have employed a psychoanalytic perspective. This study contributes, therefore, on several levels. It demonstrates the successful use of an identical interview with children of "victims" and "victimizers," and it suggests that, for our sample of respondents, there are similar psychosocial themes that derive from the distress of perceiving a social injustice. Previous studies of social injustice have not investigated the long term consequences, nor the meanings generated by second-generation persons affected by social injustice. These results, therefore, also contribute to the study of the social psychological consequences of injustice.

Previous studies of social injustice show that persons directly involved in harm-doing experience distress after harm-doing (E. Walster & Prestholdt, 1966). Here the descendants of persons involved in an injustice also experience distress. Perhaps, more surprisingly, these effects appear as common themes in the lives of children of victims and victimizers, as they accommodate to an historical injustice. One possible explanation for this is because, as Kagan (1989) has suggested, "the child does not have to learn that hurting others is bad; it is an insight that accompanies growth" (p. 227).

Findings from previous studies have revealed that people tend to reduce distress from direct harm-doing through generalized compensatory behavior. The findings that children of Nazis and children of survivors employ redressing actions implies that the effects of such distress also have intergenerational behavioral consequences. Thus our data are consistent with and expand on previous research that investigates the reaction of a harm-doer after carrying out a transgression (Brock & Becker, 1966; Regan, Williams, & Sparling, 1972).

That similar effects of social injustice surface in the lives of both children of victims and victimizers has clinical implications. It may be worthwhile to consider a new treatment modality-joint psychotherapy groups for descendants of trauma. From a clinical perspective joint psychotherapy groups may be useful for several reasons. It may help resolve issues related to redressing an injustice-by involving the participation of both sides. Also, polarization between social groups is known to perpetuate conflict. A joint group may be valuable for creating depolarized conditions that will make a particular kind of interaction possible-"mindful" interactions characterized by exploring mutual perspectives not at the expense of differences, but alongside them (Langer, 1987). Phase 2 of this study will investigate the feasibility of employing such a modality and the interpersonal dynamics generated by such a meeting (Giacomo & Weissmark, 1986, 1987, 1992). It is striking to note that from an etymological point of view, the term justice derives from the Latin ius, meaning "right in the sense of joining (or fitting)," and before that, from the Sanskrit, meaning, "to join" (Partridge, 1958, p. 325). In general, therefore, justice implies uniting, joining together, and mutual participation.

ACKNOWLEDGMENTS

This research was supported by private donations.
We thank Jerome Kagan, Ellen Langer, Brendan Maher, and Sheldon White for their feedback on early drafts of this article. In addition, we thank Myron Belfer, Monica Gilboa, Robert Rosenthal, and Gerald Posner for their assistance.

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